Friday, 23 September 2011

Today's Issues on the Palestine-Israel Conflict

Newest: The Roadmap to Peace by the Quartet. Where are we (in a plan to lasting peace)? For how long lasts the conflict more (even as estimate) until the final, predictable steps? Land-lease in Palestine by Israel on the Hong Kong accords, Britain to China, i.e., Israel paying Palestine a sum of money each year until land returns to Palestine after some 200 years or other?

Url.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_map_for_peace .

(Y-design of information is erased.)

To solve the stalemate of maps describing Palestine and Israel, here's one suggestion:
As the (most) subverting party should be known as Israel, I hope the Palestinians and UN body/the Quartet together make the move to create a (temporary) reasonable map in partnership, also with several options such as one including this and another including not so much, one being more likely to obtain agreement, the others for display (with description of history/reasoning and legend)!

It should also be known that Israel in the past has rejected NATO membership by an ethical grounding.

(The other comments are to appear here on a row from most recent to most old.)

This blogposting has started like this, now solved by the Quartet and initiative by former French president Sarkozy: The dangerous path toward a possible nuclear strike on Israel in some distant future.
Poverty of Palestinians vs. the status now of these other 3. Why are Palestinians so dangerous, such an existential threat (almost as if the appetite for perversion would need other ways with ending the conflict)? So what is it going to be, you?

More conventionally:
First, if at all, the Palestinians need to get filthy rich just to load that "anti-Israeli nuclear device" onboard (and they are way behind the other 3 countries of relevance, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria). Then, in a state of democracy and thriving business life and vibrant business connections, they, the Palestinians, are supposed to let go of evey civilised advance, possibly over 50 years from now, just to destroy Israel! Plausible? No!!! No, the Palestinians are not those cold, idiotic, senseless, crazy morons! And they don't differ much from these other 3 countries which have far greater liberties for loading aboard this "anti-Israel nuclear device".

Dear Israelis, say "yes to life", please! Pleeeeaaaaaase! (Probably a wanton from most of the World population)

(A nuclear arms issue has been discussed to some extent. But with plausibility and no reality toward any use "against Israel".)

Note: Please read all three blogposts for the Israeli-Palestine conflict, that has lasted for more than 50 years or so.

43 comments:

  1. Some teaching lessons from Jerry McGuire, by Dicky Fox:
    If this is empty, This doesn't matter. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax4qZN1ta8Q
    Success - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG-Wnd4Q41Q
    Great Day - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ9A3GCL7jU ! You like it? Cheers!

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  4. A slight note further, one day onwards: What (also) underpins the sentiment of the settlers of Israel is the fact that they are forced/inclined to settle in these settlements for economic reasons! That is, the Israeli state has made it economical for people to live in these (controversial) buildings instead of building _taller_ housing complexes within the more uncontroversial area of Israel!
    (Without there being any particular earthquake hazards to tall buildings as such, i.e., danger to people. Even then, Tokyo has in particular lead the way in how to deal with earthquake hazards in building housing complexes of greater sizes!)

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  5. I've made the above note on economical incentives twice before, I think.

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  6. I like to add that I hold the Quartet to it (heh-heh, esp. USA and Israel) if the talks don't cross the finish line by 31. December 2012! There is enough time and there is enough argument to make the understanding come across! (As much as the Japanese are struggling to get _their_ Cold Shutdown within 2012!) Come on, people, you can do it!

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  7. The above relates to making a "temporary"/"limited sovereignty" state (only) for the Palestinians (that's _ratified_) and that has borders! The rest can take considerable time (10 years to 100 years or more)! Good?

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  8. Make the note, please, how Jeremiah Wright already in the YouTube-video, "GOD DAMN AMERICA Rev...", makes a note on Palestinians along with Apartheid in South Africa. More soon...

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  9. Remember, most importantly, that this takes place in _*2008*_!!!

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  10. This occurs on "1:07" out of a total length of "1:59". The words are "We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and against black South Africans and now we are indignant. Because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back home into our own front yard!" Isn't this peculiar? Well, well, another U. S. American veto, but WE *DEMAND* RESULTS FROM THEM WITHIN (FOR SUCH A "STATE"/UN MEMBERSHIP) BY 31.12.2012! Don't you think?

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  11. And if I think straight, what were the words of Barack Obama in Cairo when he visited Egypt and gave a speech at "The American University"(?) there. "I respect you, bla, bla, bla... and "I love you too"" (most loosely)... You can check up on his speech yourself! Cheers!

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  12. There are loads of references for his, Pres. Barack Obama's, speech:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/04/obama-speech-in-cairo-vid_n_211215.html
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/NewBeginning
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63043.html
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_889oBKkNU

    There is NO way USA is going to escape these words!!!! (Heh-heh, pray for them to go away if not, USA!!!)

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  13. This Yahoo search link, http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63043.html is providing us with something entirely different, serving us a history that goes back "one month" which is of course LOUSY!!!

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  14. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-cairo-university-6-04-09
    So it begins, the section: "The second major source of tension that we need to discuss is the situation between Israelis, Palestinians and the Arab world.
    America's strong bonds with Israel are well known. This bond is unbreakable. It is based upon cultural and historical ties, and the recognition that the aspiration for a Jewish homeland is rooted in a tragic history that cannot be denied.
    Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed -- more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless, it is ignorant, and it is hateful. Threatening Israel with destruction -- or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews -- is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve. ..."

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  15. The most important part in this respect: "On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people -- Muslims and Christians -- have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than 60 years they've endured the pain of dislocation. Many wait in refugee camps in the West Bank, Gaza, and neighboring lands for a life of peace and security that they have never been able to lead. They endure the daily humiliations -- large and small -- that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: The situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. And America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own. (Applause.)" *With applause, applause, applaussssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeee*!!!!!!!!

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  16. "THE WHITE HOUSE
    Office of the Press Secretary
    (Cairo,Egypt)

    ________________________________________________
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE (Emphasis:) *June 4, 2009*

    REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
    ON A NEW BEGINNING
    Cairo University
    Cairo, Egypt"

    Please replace my reference of "The American University" with the correct one above: Cairo University!!!

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  17. Just so it is noted: The Congress of USA (both chambers, I believe) lately denied the (impoverished) Palestinians 200 Million $ in aid for _wanting_/_uttering_ a wish to become a member of the UN. Why do they have the teeth in the Palestinians in this way? Why does this appear to be nothing less than a kind of hate/"hate"? Well, well, nothing surprises me anylonger from over there, just as much as New York dichotomy, "the most evil city of the World"/"the Big Apple" and "the Melting Pot" (for all curltures/ethnicities).

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  18. Just to note a fine, diplomatic technicality possibly coming up in the UN in near future, making both Israel/USA happy as well as the Palestinians (and the 6,5 with them). First of all, they've asked for the modest (little) thing of becoming "enhanced observers", to be raised to an "enhanced observer entity" (by PLO), if not the membership symmetrical to other nations right away. But what we are talking about is the difference between being _approved_ by UN as member and _actually_ becoming a recognised nation (which can only happen in terms of recognition by _each and every_ nation by themselves. So membership with the UN is really a small thing, internationally for these Palestinians _in the eyes of exactly the other nations_! They get membership, but are not a nation as such. And this is the technicality the World can achieve and thereby please both sides, the Isr./USA and Pal./6,5! You understand, please? It should become all clear! Chill, good people! Enjoy your week!

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  19. Just to pick up some former stuff from an account I deleted/inactivated (that I "owned", of course): I've watched an interview today on BBC World where Katty Kay of BBC America interviews the US Ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice. It irritates me slightly how USA keeps demanding this fruitless meeting at the negotiation table, but let's meet them! I have this to say. Sure, let them make their demands to one another at a negotiation table at the UN, in New York, in Israel or in Jerusalem, at least somewhere. So they put the demands on the table and begin to "read Donald Duck or whatever" (because they have met so many times before). Thus we meet with the demand/requirement of USA for making a Palestine state. While these people of Israel and Palestine keep meeting one another, here or there, the Palestinians make a bid to the UN Security Council for an own state, The State of Palestine! This state can very well have limited sovereignty to avoid rapid hostility actions to build. This limited sovereignty is to be described under "a transition to normalcy between the two states" as a normalcy between two developed nations, fx. France and Germany. So there we begin... 1. The negotiation table, 2. The bid to the security council, 3. signing the agreement of limited sovereignty "for a peaceful transition to occur", and by this I think we're set to solve this conflict! [If USA keeps being "subversive" they need to be "reminded" of this/hammered by World presure and independent declaration from the other states at the UN, fx. Security Council and so on. Let's hope this doesn't get necessary. Just a formal point though.]
    This will be a check-list for us who follow the Israel-Palestine conflict because, by implication, USA has hereby laid its responsibilities down and IF THEY don't follow up on them, we've taken them for dishonesty and "falshood"/lying directly, simply for keeping "maim alive" in the World, i.e., for wanting malice! This is serious!
    The UN organisation is called UNISPAL.
    I've also formerly posted this to BBC Have Your Say and CNN IReport.

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  20. Fatah and Hamas - A Suggestion for Good Relations (Also read the Activist's Blog.)
    Just for the Palestinians, no offense as such, I suggest that they distance themselves away from the terror/hate of Hamas by announcing an alliance/political cooperation of Fatah/Hamas-Green (with emphasis on the religious colour of Green). This can help USA to calm down (poor old man, and give them no more excuses further, incl. Israel)!
    The World is also rewarded by making it far easier to support you (you, the Palestinians) and we like to support you of course (w/o that nasty doctor side and "with no other strings attached as well", by some self-deluded "I'm so nice to World, yet I get to see the Palestinians suffer" awful dichotomy)!
    Posted by L.F.O.-L. at 06:48
    Labels: Fatah, Hamas, palestinians
    2 comments:
    I'd like to remind readers further that we look forward to "within 2012" _dead_line when USA and other people's plans are going to bring *light* to Palestinians and Palestine and decency to a people who deserve it very much! Cheers!

    This relates of course to a recent story from media about exactly Fatah and Hamas and a political alliance. I'd also like to point out what a fine trick it was for IRA to have its Sinn Fein!

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  21. Considering plain human nature, "if you shoot at me, I become angry and shoot back, but since we never agree on the degree of justified retaliation this goes on and on, but on a smaller sub-national scale", then it should be clear that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has a zero-level! This in turn should make the parties look past the small squabbling parties and "attack" or be more aggressive toward the bigger goals. However, I find that Israel as the most nation with the most (military) force, by psychological principles (of pecking order and so forth) must know about this! This makes me want to say: complete 2012 with a Palestinian state (now by 127 nations) and BE SERIOUS toward the Palestinian side in future negotiations because we know from the above how you can instigate conflict and use this as an alibi for (idiot) aggression (by malice and other) that we HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO TASTE FOR, that we can't TOLERATE, AND WE WILL TAKE YOU FOR IT EVERYTIME!!! Cheers!
    This files under UNISPAL and goes to USA too, with its SS Kursk by USS Miami by MK-48, for instigating sublimely the parties in conflict! (As a Nazi set-up of poor taste!)

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  22. I've been reading the speech of the US President to the UN Gen. Assemb. I have the following:
    The President of USA says:
    "Time and again, it [Iran] has failed to take the opportunity to demonstrate that its nuclear program is peaceful, and to meet its obligations to the United Nations."

    My questions:
    What is the above based on? Are we supposed to accept the US President as a truth-overlord? What is the evidence for this sentence in his speech?

    But I greet with pleasure:
    "So let me be clear. America wants to resolve this issue through diplomacy, and we believe that there is still time and space to do so. But that time is not unlimited. We respect the right of nations to access peaceful nuclear power, but one of the purposes of the United Nations is to see that we harness that power for peace. And make no mistake, a nuclear-armed Iran is not a challenge that can be contained. It would threaten the elimination of Israel, the security of Gulf nations, and the stability of the global economy. It risks triggering a nuclear-arms race in the region, and the unraveling of the non-proliferation treaty. That’s why a coalition of countries is
    holding the Iranian government accountable. And that’s why the United States will do what we must to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon."

    The importance especially for YOU:
    I also note that the President has skipped the issue of Palestine 2012 under former French Pres. Nicolas Sarkozy! Why? - This concerns ofcourse the whole row of issues for the Middle East, all from attitude to Syria (not wrong as such...) to WMDs (of the clouds and bank-hoist to go) in Irag (120 K dead). So are we to have it, by Sarkozy and You, UNDISPAL?

    (30 September at 18:08 CEST, Facebook)

    Additionally, *prior* to the Cairo speech, Jeremiah Wright, one of Obama's most important supporters before the "accident" says this: "we have supported *state terrorism against the Palestinians and Black South Africans and now we're indignant [that's Latin for giving a d*mn, ed.]*..." Quote, http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/jeremiahwr409141.html - There is NO doubt that A LOT rests on the (US) Americans in doing something, now that their own MAN is in the SEAT, in the White House Oval Office! The case is clear! We need to "make the incentive" to them clear and we need to deliver on the promises to the Palestinians NOW! Let's do it!

    Jeremiah Wright Quotes at BrainyQuote.com
    www.brainyquote.com
    Jeremiah Wright quotes from BrainyQuote an extensive collection of quotations by famous authors, celebrities, and newsmakers..
    ("24 minutes ago", Facebook)

    Here, the very words themselves, by civic duties of Rev. Jeremiah Wright: at 1:34 - YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxzWhaqFy7s - Is Rev.Wright right? New Obama Song. Terrorism. !
    Is Rev.Wright right? New Obama Song. Terrorism.
    Rev. Wright - America's Chickens Are Coming Home To Roost!

    The case for the Palestinians should now be full and that they are "admitted" a state, although with "Swiss cheese qualities" for now! Cheers!

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  23. The Russell Tribunal: http://www.russelltribunalonpalestine.com/en/sessions/future-sessions/videos/new-york-sessiom-live-stream .

    The Cairo speech by the US Pres. in 2009: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-cairo-university-6-04-09 - "THE WHITE HOUSE
    Office of the Press Secretary
    (Cairo,Egypt)
    ________________________________________________
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE June 4, 2009
    REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
    ON A NEW BEGINNING
    Cairo University
    Cairo, Egypt"
    (1+1) - follows +: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5447513/Barack-Obamas-speech-at-Cairo-University-Full-text.html - Barack Obama's speech at Cairo University: Full text
    Barack Obama addressed the Muslim world in a 6,000-word speech at Cairo University. Text in full.
    10:41PM BST 04 Jun 2009
    "Good afternoon. I am honoured ..."

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  24. Excerpt from the Cairo speech:
    "On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people, Muslims and Christians, have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than 60 years, they’ve endured the pain of dislocation.

    Many wait in refugee camps in the West Bank and Gaza and neighbouring lands for a life of peace and security that they have never been able to lead. They endure the daily humiliations, large and small, that come with occupation.

    So let there be no doubt, the situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. And America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity and a state of their own."

    So the promised land, 2nd time, this time for the Palestinians??? (With the Old Testament in hand for both sides, Muslim and Jews, as religious brothers and sisters.)

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  25. "...met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security." Final!

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  26. A note from me, at least, as part of follow-up in supporting a /lasting/ solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I´d like to issue a need for Israel to have drones up in the air so that BIG bombing campaigns can be avoided (also avoiding mental stress to the population of Gaza (incl. and especially the young there)! The Quartet should also see its duty of piercing through this "noise" of reckless "rocket-attackers" and go forward with the "Swiss Cheese"-map of State Palestine! Soon, please? (Frm. pres. of France has achieved agreement for "within 2012", recently! I ask the int. community to pay respect to the words and to "make it happen"!!!)

    PS: First to Facebook this time.

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  27. This blog posting is a "day-to-day" blogposting on the Israel-Palestine issues, being irritated on the slow progress with the issue. We'll see where it gets, but Palestine has lately achieved UNESCO status and is also recognised by a large number of nations/states. (Right above the logical set-up...) Cheers!

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  28. One aspect for U. S. (American) military money going to Israel is in fact that the money has a kind of "hate-/instigation-quality", knowing the typical military mind-set!
    Therefore, a new way for duty of USA is to transform support to Israel toward civilised progress such as infra-structure (if needed), "peace, trade and understanding"-centre(s), non-conflict zone (New York style) housing development and the rest, going in deeper into issues of education and dropping the military altogether some time into the future (some 100 years +, at least as money from USA-wise). That money coming from USA to other countries need to carry the right message, also including the personal security inside the nations themselves, not new "gamies", maintaining course toward human rights and progress in terms of humanism, i.e., education, peace, democracy, freedom, happiness in the healthy sense.

    More importantly,
    as the spear toward nuclear tip of "evil" is now broken by the fulfillment of the Quartet and Palestine is recognised this way by UNESCO, observer status with the UN, and all these nations, more than 130(check!!), and new agenda can be set up that involves informed choices for action plan that, effectively, secures exactly the State of Palestine along with State of Israel and much brighter future for these two as well as a more calm region, celebrations of the Old Testament together! Cheers!

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  29. So, now that the "2" has been revealed over at the Controversial777, I can tell you that this is the 3rd, over the 2 others of 21. and 12. "this month", 2011, and so is the shared "Trinity, the ecumenical":
    by System (The Work to End...) - Logics - (Information) Agenda, ethically, by Today's Issues...

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  30. A note of former: That "peace, networking and trade" and not "war and militarised conflict" has made the day, that, figuratively, "hunger for the next good meal and drink" makes the trumping point for all, thus "peace, democracy and freedom" win through!

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  31. The former notion of "spear toward a tip-point of "evil"/malice consists of this:
    If a chain of (really) bad decisions would occur before the Quartet has gotten it together with the cooperating parties it may be that all these bad factors can have had the possibility to set up a nuclear strike against Israel and with the irritation building up with the World condition I've just started the "Today's Issues..." with this most awful notion, this worst event by the logic "bad decisions lead to bad events", also in line with the more popular writing that one should mix "idiot" text with intelligent text so as to "respect all different people", that goes to those who demand this kind of writing. As most have expected, the most awful notion has become soundly ejected (at least for some years, 50+?) by a "responsible World", given by this context the two States, Israel, Palestine and the Quartet.

    The 3 for the above:
    FRIDAY, 23 SEPTEMBER 2011
    Today's Issues on the Palestine-Israel Conflict

    WEDNESDAY, 21 SEPTEMBER 2011
    Logical Set-Up for a Pro-Palestinian Position

    MONDAY, 12 SEPTEMBER 2011
    The Work to End the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

    Rights to Information on the following Issues - The 7.1 Bn Population on the Door

    I've been following the Israel-Palestine conflict for a very long time, an international politics "classics"-issue, really. I have the following points for improving the article:

    The Airport Issue - Development, any/how much harassment issues?

    The Map Issue - Drawing the lines, no matter how much "swiss cheese", any (UN) jeep on ground for doing so soon? Development also... This is mostly for the Palestinian State...

    The West Bank - Gaza Communications - Status? Internet population?

    The Customs/Embargo Status - Status? The issues of freight: Allowing what freight? How much freight? Effectivity? Their healthy diet, fish, meat, milk and so on...

    The Beginning of the Political Status - Rather the 1977 with "The UNDPR, originally named Special Unit on Palestinian Rights in the United Nations Secretariat, was created by the UNGA Resolution 3240 of December 2, 1977:
    "Following the affirmation of the inalienable national rights of the Palestinian people and the establishment in 1975 of the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People, the General Assembly recognized the need for creating an informed public opinion around the world in support of the achievement of those rights" in order "... to assist the Committee in its work and to prepare studies and publications on the issue and to promote maximum publicity for them."[1]" than 1993 and Norway...?

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  32. The design of this blogposting, "Today's Issues..." side by side to "Logical Set-Up" and "The Work to End...":
    The Y-crossing (as opposed to the 4-way X-crossing) spear toward malice and spear toward viability/life. These two spearing roads/ways above "common body/common road" of history!
    Alright?

    Palestinian Capital: Suggestion: Jericho or Nablus (so to pair with Tel Aviv in avoiding "religious sensitivity", not giving up on, of course, any bit of the Palestinian part of Jerusalem, also holding on to claim of 1967, also for Jerusalem.

    Israel
    GDP (PPP) 2011[5] estimate
    - Total $236.994 billion (50th)
    - Per capita $31,467 (26th) * This is the most important, IMO.
    The numbers say "by estimate", but this is an economical convention and doesn't imply much uncertainty /like that/, i.e., the numbers can be considered reliable!

    The Palestinians are known to be poor/impoverished... Sometimes even the sewage systems do not work there, Gaza/West Bank...

    Also, by more dense housing of people (inside 1967-Israel), please take it from Hong Kong or Singapore instead, I do not mention that city /like that/, in having poor taste for the matters at hand.

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  33. Religion in history:
    The Original Man: 30 000 years
    Religious Human Kind: Only 2000 years
    Atheism, no matter how wrong: less than 100 years and not entirely popular

    Conclusion: Religion is still an achievement worthy of much respect! Also for the Palestine/Israel conflict, that Judaism and Islam and Ecumenical together as peace maker!
    The Original Man, genus Homo Humans, neanderthals, homo erectus, and their direct ancestors 2.5 Mn years ago - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution .

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  34. I immediately, upon Israelian whining for Iranian nuclear(-weapon) program, by their suspicion, call for a permanent UN mission to the Palestinian areas of West Bank and Gaza (Area) and Gaza City with at least 100 people to each of these two areas, 200 people together. I also want UN voting to go ahead ASAP and UN reporting until mission has been successfully established. Good? (Not that Iran has much legitimate reason in any time foreseeable to gain nukes...)

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  35. The design of this part from the tripartite "Trinity" combination for taking care of various worries of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict:
    1. The main text, by convention, is set up with one black part and one "white"/conflict resolving part.
    2. After [number] comments more, of the black kind, the "white" comments follow through for all the the rest of the comments. These are and will be "white", contributing to solving the conflict.

    Eventually, these "white" parts coming in as time goes by will blow off, the "black" parts and solve the conflict with my two other blog posts for this. Also, of course, I work with an entire "cloud" team on this and with them, we, together, will solve the conflict, with my "Trinity" blog posts in this cloud as well. It's obvious, that solving this conflict has taken much efforts from very many people and that finally getting rid of it, to the advantage of more trade relations/cultural relations, will still demand all these people "on this cloud", under UN and under UN Division for Palestinian Rights. Final solution can be foreseeable within the next 10 years or so.

    Note: Palestine is now a defacto state.
    Note2: A nuke attack on Israel, any city considered, must be considered a kind of extreme end of the conflict, mostly hypothetical for now as no city in the World has been hit after WW2 and Japan.

    Also, what I may desire is more of these real, on the ground situation reports on Palestine. What the people feel there, technical challenges, ease of life, harassing levels, etc. What more... that the reports can have key data with it, such as "I am now in Nablus, [day, date], for this [period] lasting [time]". And so on... Good?

    The people of Abraham in the Bible also includes the Muslims. The Swiss cheese of the West Bank: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/West_Bank_%26_Gaza_Map_2007_%28Settlements%29.png/386px-West_Bank_%26_Gaza_Map_2007_%28Settlements%29.png . Please note that, (obviously,) the West Bank holds the most valuable territory in terms of history and that in visiting the Biblical areas, "where the classical names" will appear in the future, trying to shove out the Palestinians should/will not happen or be tolerated. The Israelis can very well settle with Biblical Israel (now) and look to peace with the Palestinians to again sense the nerve of the ancient territories of Israeli origins. Like France can never begin to demand it's old "Kingdom of France".

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  36. The Palestinian Population:

    The Palestinian people are no uneducated idiots. I can tell you that with this list that I've found on Wikipedia. And rather, contrary to some other moron country I know, they seem generous on education and awarding the degrees, building both character and mind in its population.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_universities_and_colleges .

    According to Wikipedia: The West Bank is inhabited by approximately 2.4 million Palestinians and the Gaza Strip by another 1.4 million, making Palestine a 3,8 Mn people. In addition, some 3 Mn people are refugees in Lebanon, making the total 6,8 Mn. However, the number of Palestinian people who have now or who are eligible for Palestinian passport may be much higher.

    Good?

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  37. On Israel-Palestine further

    As of 2010, over 1.6 billion or about 23.4% of the world population are Muslims.[1] Of these, around 62% live in Asia-Pacific,[2] 20% in the Middle East-North Africa,[3] 15% in Sub-Saharan Africa,[4] around 3% in Europe[5] and 0.3% in the Americas.[6][7][8][9]

    Source: Wikipedia. Quality est.: Credible/Good.

    One must remember that in some sense, the Israeli people has undergone historical tragedy to its entire people during the Nazi-German Holocaust. While this, they are only (an exclusive) group of 8,002,300 (2013 estimate 8,002,300 [b][3] (97th)). Worldwide, there are about 14.0 million Jews (with an enlarged Jewish population of approximately 15.2 million).

    Source: Wikipedia. Quality est.: Credible/Good.

    Why there will be no nuking of any Israeli city and why they are protected most securely by NATO/others, UN:

    (Comparison Arabs/Jews and most clear!)

    Islam by country - a selection
    Afghanistan 29,047,000 99.8
    Algeria 34,780,000 98.2
    Azerbaijan 8,795,000 98.4
    Bahrain 655,000 81.2
    Bangladesh 148,607,000 90.4
    Egypt 80,024,000 94.7
    India 177,286,000 14.6
    Iran 74,819,000 99.6
    Iraq 31,108,000 98.9
    Jordan 6,397,000 98.8
    Kuwait 2,636,000 86.4
    Libya 6,325,000 96.6
    Morocco 32,381,000 99.9
    Oman 2,547,000 87.7
    Pakistan 178,097,000 96.4
    Palestine 4,298,000 97.5 * - our party
    Qatar 1,168,000 77.5
    Saudi Arabia 25,493,000 97.1
    Syria 20,895,000 92.8
    Tunisia 10,349,000 99.8
    Turkey 74,660,000 98.6
    Turkmenistan 4,830,000 93.3
    UAE 3,577,000 76.0

    Summary number: Middle East-North Africa 321,869,000 91.2

    Secondarily:
    Indonesia 204,847,000 88.1
    Philippines 4,737,000 5.1
    Malaysia 17,139,000 61.4
    Maldives 309,000 98.4
    Mali 12,316,000 92.4

    Source: Wikipedia. Quality est.: Credible/Good.

    Conclusion: There will be NO NUKING of any Israeli "target" toward any foreseeable future!

    However:
    There are some "ugly" characteristics to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, one that is hardened by the deep divide in the Palestinians being poor and suppressed and Israelis being rather wealthy.

    These are important aspects we need to keep in mind as we work toward a lasting peace for two-state Israel-Palestine Peace! Keep up the good work! :-)

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  38. There is an important suggestion on the table to separate the food containers from the "hardware" containers so to make it possible for (our) Palestinians to enjoy fresh and healthy food at least, speeding through the Israeli "Anti-Terror" scanning controls "because food is different from "nuking" rockets in the thousands", mainly sent from Gaza Strip "into" Israel.

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  39. To solve the stalemate of maps describing Palestine and Israel, here's one suggestion:
    As the (most) subverting party should be known as Israel, I hope the Palestinians and UN body/the Quartet together make the move to create a (temporary) reasonable map in partnership, also with several options such as one including this and another including not so much, one being more likely to obtain agreement, the others for display (with description of history/reasoning and legend)!

    It should also be known that Israel in the past has rejected NATO membership by an ethical grounding.

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  40. I'm to reform the blogposting so that the blogposting itself will hold all the comments, with the start of the blogposting ending lowest!

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  41. The Roadmap to Peace by the Quartet. Where are we (in a plan to lasting peace)? For how long lasts the conflict more (even as estimate) until the final, predictable steps? Land-lease in Palestine by Israel on the Hong Kong accords, Britain to China, i.e., Israel paying Palestine a sum of money each year until land returns to Palestine after some 200 years or other?

    Url.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_map_for_peace .

    (Y-design of information is erased.)

    PS: I'm sorry for an initial, coarse/low kind of wording of this main post early on.

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  42. The Quartet is UN, USA, EU and Russia. Url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartet_on_the_Middle_East .

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  43. It's also my opinion, along with (many) others that the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians is now theoretically OVER! Only practical issues now remain and by this

    CONGRATULATIONS TO THE PARTIES FOR ACHIEVING THIS so far! No less to the states/nations, diplomatically, acknowledging the existence of the State of Palestine!

    The practical matters remain: the ascent for Palestinians in terms of GDP, the negotiations over territory, the extent of Israeli sanctions for controlling the Palestinians (and its conduct of terrorism/revenge). 3 only. Nice or what?!

    Please, check out various resources on Facebook and Wikipedia.

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