I'd like to inform you that, over the Pascal's Wager, now by new modal considerations, rather than to exist or not, that the Agnostics are logically impelled, by "ethics, meaning, (perh. sec.->) definition of God, and entailment of Heaven" to consider God, that is, they now enter first these 4 necessary entities (or else leaving Agnosticism altogether) before considering the reality of exactly God. This constitutes a refinement from earlier!
The Slipstream Argument vs. Pascal's Wager
Wikipedia presents Pascal's Wager in this way:
"It posits that humans all bet with their lives either that God exists or does not exist. Given the possibility that God actually does exist and assuming the infinite gain or loss associated with belief in God or with unbelief, a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.).[1]"
The Slipstream Argument, however, REQUIRES the wondering agnostic to assume seriously the 4 (Christian/variations for other religions) constituents, such as Meaning, Description of God, Ethics (10 Commandments) and the Entailment of Heaven "into personal data-set". Without these, and you can check on Agnostic's honesty, the "emotional" Agnostic can easily be dismissed. This is a HARDER consideration of the Existence of God than Pascal' Wager and also takes higher position into eternity.
Pascal's Wager has formerly been listed under Atheism because of the nature of gambling with God's existence and "showing doubt in God" in case one dares to utter the thought. "Now, my good person, you DOUBT in God...? I would never doubt in God...! BANG!" (Out of church too?)
Url: http://en.wikipedia.orhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager.
Let's assume there are 4 main ways to God's possible existence:
Ethics (10 commandments)
Meaning (to Heaven by moral life, etc)
Definition of God ("God is spirit")
Definition of Heaven (A place of perfect goodness etc.)
Ethics (10 commandments)
Meaning (to Heaven by moral life, etc)
Definition of God ("God is spirit")
Definition of Heaven (A place of perfect goodness etc.)
Then you need to live these 4 main ways to God before you start to doubt God's existence.
Before this, one has had the opportunity to start to doubt God right away, but this (short) text tells us that the Agnostics have requirements to fulfill before they get the credible opportunity to put God's existence into question.
If the Agnostics just start to doubt God's existence right away, they haven't made the serious attempt in trying to believe in God/God's existence at all, according to some.
Further, the friendly questions to the Agnostic... First, the Agnostic speaks...
We speculate on hypothetical discussions. Maybe the Agnostic's standpoint is like this:
Agnostic: "I've considered the question of God and found that I'm in doubt. I've gone through all the well-known arguments for God and I find something there that's appealing, but I'm not ready to say that I definitely believe in God. No. On the other hand, I lack being convinced by the arguments against the existence of God because I don't dare to take on a cold, dead World. It just lacks the life I experience. So Atheism isn't for me either."
However, in my line of thought, the nature of the questions to the Agnostic may take on a different nature. Rather than discussing the various arguments for and against the existence of God, the Believer may ask kinds of the following questions:
Believer to the Agnostic: "How do you experience religion? What do you think of ethics? The 10 Commandments and the Golden Rule (other ethics for other religions, Torah, whatever)? Do you try to live the ethical life or do you live it? How do you perceive God (or Brahman, Yahweh, Allah, Buddha etc.)? How do you imagine God exists? In us? Outside us? In a God-Universe, by God self? How do you perceive Heaven (or other for other religions)? Would you like to go to Heaven? Do you fear Hell? What is your thought of the soul? Do you care for it? Do you find meaning in religion (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc.)? Do you long for the religious salvation?" And so on.
Note: First written to Wikipedia, YouTube in October, 2012, and other places because it probably remains small for the World as a whole when most people are to enter Religion or Atheism/Ignorance straight. Though, it may well be that "The Slipstream Argument" enters eternity.
Note2: The slipstream is found in nature, both aquatically and aeronautically.
Before this, one has had the opportunity to start to doubt God right away, but this (short) text tells us that the Agnostics have requirements to fulfill before they get the credible opportunity to put God's existence into question.
If the Agnostics just start to doubt God's existence right away, they haven't made the serious attempt in trying to believe in God/God's existence at all, according to some.
Further, the friendly questions to the Agnostic... First, the Agnostic speaks...
We speculate on hypothetical discussions. Maybe the Agnostic's standpoint is like this:
Agnostic: "I've considered the question of God and found that I'm in doubt. I've gone through all the well-known arguments for God and I find something there that's appealing, but I'm not ready to say that I definitely believe in God. No. On the other hand, I lack being convinced by the arguments against the existence of God because I don't dare to take on a cold, dead World. It just lacks the life I experience. So Atheism isn't for me either."
However, in my line of thought, the nature of the questions to the Agnostic may take on a different nature. Rather than discussing the various arguments for and against the existence of God, the Believer may ask kinds of the following questions:
Believer to the Agnostic: "How do you experience religion? What do you think of ethics? The 10 Commandments and the Golden Rule (other ethics for other religions, Torah, whatever)? Do you try to live the ethical life or do you live it? How do you perceive God (or Brahman, Yahweh, Allah, Buddha etc.)? How do you imagine God exists? In us? Outside us? In a God-Universe, by God self? How do you perceive Heaven (or other for other religions)? Would you like to go to Heaven? Do you fear Hell? What is your thought of the soul? Do you care for it? Do you find meaning in religion (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc.)? Do you long for the religious salvation?" And so on.
Note: First written to Wikipedia, YouTube in October, 2012, and other places because it probably remains small for the World as a whole when most people are to enter Religion or Atheism/Ignorance straight. Though, it may well be that "The Slipstream Argument" enters eternity.
Note2: The slipstream is found in nature, both aquatically and aeronautically.
Originally, this has been expressed inside the confines of YouTube comments and rather fast. A better and more cool formulation will enter here in some time. Cheers!
ReplyDeleteLet's assume there are 4 main ways to God's possible existence:
ReplyDeleteEthics (10 commandments)
Meaning (to Heaven by moral life, etc)
Definition of God ("God is spirit")
Definition of Heaven (A place of perfect goodness etc.)
Then you need to live these 4 main ways to God before you start to doubt God's existence.
Before this, one has had the opportunity to start to doubt God right away, but this (short) text tells us that the Agnostics have requirements to fulfill before they get the credible opportunity to put God's existence into question.
If the Agnostics just start to doubt God's existence right away, they haven't made the serious attempt in trying to believe in God/God's existence at all, according to some.
Further, the friendly questions to the Agnostic... First, the Agnostic speaks...
ReplyDeleteWe speculate on hypothetical discussions. Maybe the Agnostic's standpoint is like this:
Agnostic: "I've considered the question of God and found that I'm in doubt. I've gone through all the well-known arguments for God and I find something there that's appealing, but I'm not ready to say that I definitely believe in God. No. On the other hand, I lack being convinced by the arguments against the existence of God because I don't dare to take on a cold, dead World. It just lacks the life I experience. So Atheism isn't for me either."
However, in my line of thought, the nature of the questions to the Agnostic may take on a different nature. Rather than discussing the various arguments for and against the existence of God, the Believer may ask kinds of the following questions:
Believer to the Agnostic: "How do you experience religion? What do you think of ethics? The 10 Commandments and the Golden Rule (other ethics for other religions, Torah, whatever)? Do you try to live the ethical life or do you live it? How do you perceive God (or Brahman, Yahweh, Allah, Buddha etc.)? How do you imagine God exists? In us? Outside us? In a God-Universe, by God self? How do you perceive Heaven (or other for other religions)? Would you like to go to Heaven? Do you fear Hell? What is your thought of the soul? Do you care for it? Do you find meaning in religion (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc.)? Do you long for the religious salvation?" And so on.