Charleston Shooting and Justice - Guns or Not

The justice (and not only "if not guns then peace and ever so"):

It may very well be that the torture rates of USA are significantly lower because with guns people are able to revenge. In other parts of the World, one is in lack of this and therefore people commit the most awful acts against one another (more so than in USA, not an angel-country itself).

Therefore, I'd like you to consider
* guns equals less torture (less molestation and traumatizing of children)
* no guns equals more torture than if guns are present like in USA, the only country where guns are present to this degree.

Do not forget, please, that USA has become the most powerful nation based on its virtues and one of these virtues is the 2nd amendment right, the right to own arms (preferably only small arms).

One thing is to die from a gunshot, but a whole other thing is to die from torture, perhaps taken to the most extreme, both in terms of time and of mental pain. Torture must be seen as straight evil in today's World when even the military issue may be seen as excess due to overwhelming power from NATO and UN (UN Sec. Council).

Our legal systems worldwide aren't perfect, surely. But the system in USA edges more toward a desired system than in rest of the World.

Just think of where you want to live. Do you want to live in a poor country? One hears of no torture in South Africa, but is it really so beautiful? And so on for every other country...

The victims to gun violence must be seen as a sacrifice for keeping torture and widespread abuse of children to rather low levels. It could be European levels and they are not good at all!

From a citizen in Europe, a system much overrated in terms of legal systems.

The disturbing facts in terms of suicides, separating the "nature" of suicides in USA and everywhere else, purely due to selfdefence (guns being part):
It's stated that "Approximately one-half of suicides are committed by firearm, accounting for two-thirds of all firearms deaths. [21,334 of 33,599 in 2014]"[24-reference]
Those are decent suicides! In Europe we do all sorts of crazy things in order to (finally) die because either it's the corrupt authorities hunting the suicide candidates only to get more torture on them. A corruption we in Europe usually never can do anything about because the self-protection is outlawed, that is, guns, pepperspray, tazers and killer knives. And that's after the 20 times the suicide candidates "bounce" about before they die!

"The same article [USA Today] stated that there are far fewer homicides than suicides in the country; in fact, homicide rates have fallen by half in the U.S. since 1991."
So homicides are bad, but the numbers are improving and the victims have gotten the death by gun shot, not tortured a few times first as in Europe.

For the instances of torture in Europe, pick out the stats for murders, missing people and a good portion of the suicides who "failed" to die when tortured!

At spot no. 48 USA comes in with 12.6 per 100 000 people.
At spot no. 102 Norway comes in with 9.3 per 100 K people.
Hurray! At spot no. 123 United Kingdom comes in with 7.4 per 100 K people.
Now, from the above and given Europe's tendency to sodomy, corruption and lying for the facade, also for protection (because a wounded prey in Europe usually gets "taken" quickly).

You know, I happen to think that USA takes it (accepts the deaths, some also "beautiful"), all factors considered! (Don't say you're young, please, because then you have quite a bit of learning to do!)

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States

Some additional:
Warburton, N., 2004, p. 21. The Basics - Philosophy, 4th ed. Routledge: New York The Problem of Evil. "...of the widespread practice of torture." and "...all examples of moral evil or cruelty: human beings inflicting suffering on other human beings..."

There's a further question for this 9-killer shooter. Should he see the death penalty or how long should he sit in prison because of this?

Information to the British public:
I have sent this text (the main text) to BBC Have your say and they should have strong duties in acting on this!

Also in terms of BBC World if not "BBC Europe" (I guess where they are). This is a serious matter in Europe, one that possibly propagates the most grievous torture throughout every day!

Concerning the gun debate, I'd like to question the experts/"experts" and how perverts handle guns.

Not only are perverts likely to shoot themselves in the head ("aaarrrgghh, this head must come OFF!"), but they also, generally, HATE guns, whether the thunder of it or that the shooting is "white"/good, that is, the fear to be shot by goodness, for one strange reason or other (I happen to think they hate justice, as this also is goodness.)

I find that the experts/"experts" hide the facts of perverts handling guns (poorly)!

New news: not that I let go of the corrupt (small) parts of USA, but we in Europe and elsewhere need to understand that Google, Facebook, Intel, AMD and others are purely due to US American character by respect to Human Rights and their own citizens by gun rights and other for self-defence, plus, plus, plus... This is the hard lesson for all places outside USA.

New deal in the gun debate and pro self-defence:
I think that abuse/severe abuse/torture is also about children, most certainly, and some men and women. The leader of the National Association for Victims of Violence is saying that they support lawful pepper spray and tear gas "where the police are unable to do the job". I think maybe pistols/revolvers may be appropriate and maybe, thus, avoid the debate about automatic rifles/submachine guns. As such, rifles should then be used for hunting, primarily. Pistols/revolvers only have this range of 50 m. Perhaps not the worst to control.

(What psychologists and others should have said is:) Perverts/sodomistic people/most hideous criminals handle pistols/revolvers and pepper spray poorly if not blowing their brains out directly, so there is an immediate duty to get self-defence with most people as soon as possible! Get it?!

Psychology - Relating to recent tv about Psychopaths (and other morally depraved people), they sure do know to pick a weaker opponent. Maybe they are the more likely abuser part of domestic violence, men beating their women and children.

For the military battlefield, also weak combatants?

Again, the self-defence speaks more for the good people than for the "moral deviants"/devious criminals. ("Professional") Criminals are always involved in criminal networks and therefore have an easy/easier access to self-defence (at least in Europe) as so often pointed out. Again, the self-defence can move mountains in terms of Human Rights (UDHR). Please, don't use Amnesty International as counter-argument...

It must be recognized that the weapon has always defended the faith of the religious and I am sure the religious has the toughness for the gunfight as well in such order that they usually win or get out of harms way, one of two!

You may say that you are peaceful when you are against the revolvers (or pistols), but if the World is that peaceful then the revolver is hung up on the office wall and becomes a symbol of that very peace!

(Don't try it, you "peace-lovers"!)

And don't you forget about the situation for the gun-less Jews upon the Kristallnacht! Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

Message to NRA - National Rifle Association of America

I suggest that it may be useful to split up the 2nd Amendment into two parts.
1. that deals with militia aspects, securing the nation in face of despotism with considerations of Home Guard and Embedded Infantry and other military with the general population in such a fashion that no Despotism can take place. Also, the State by State considerations.
2. the one that deals with general security person by person. Thus I mention the removal of gun-free zones and importance of carry permit and concealed carry permit. The bump-stocks seem to be disappearing and the magazines may be regulated to proper sizes, eg. no more than 20 bullets or other. Camera-directed (automatic?) gun-turrets may also be considered. Other? You get my point.

By this, one can possibly remove some of the craziest set-ups for weapons of the military calm and also apply a more calm psychology to the population.

#DraintheSwamp #Corruptionmustdie #Evilmustdie #NRA #2A

[#TheWorld @UN] Evil gets educated in two ways. It gets free passes in the formal education system, to the very top, and goes up the road in "systematic" sadistic #sodomy. #EvilEducation #Evilmustdie #2A #2ADefenders #Religion #Ethics #Morality #AntiCorruption #UDHR #Education

#Justice #Law @FBI @INTERPOL_HQ #The4FactorsRPSL #The4Factors Step to "kill"/remove evil: #Revolvers to every home, 1-3, #Pepperspray, #LieDetectionArray, 5 methods+, Radio-based "airport" #scannerportals #NotKidding #Duty #Immediately #ASAP #Peace

To highlight the status of a legal system, USA vs. EU, for example:
Imagine to get tortured... Would you fear getting tortured? A week?
Imagine getting blasted in a bombing or shot to death... Would you fear getting blasted in a bombing or shot to death?
What would fear the most? What would prevent you from doing your daily business?

I, for one, find it impossible to take action when under the perceived threat of torture while not fearing to any particular degree getting shot to death or blasted to death by bombing.

As such, Media and or government is hiding something from the public, especially here in Norway, as the Breivik "terrorism" has done very little to scare the general public from conducting their lives.

So the silent terror of torture is recveiving very little publicity or attention in the Main Stream Media. I think this should speak louder for the case of guns as well as The 4 Factors. This is about creating a possible World of friends, not a World of "peaceful" monsters acting to your advantage.

The basic reasoning for guns to your aid, whether only for yourself or for your family:
The Bible
New International Version
"Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me."

You may think that guns are awful, but the invisible hand of torture (threats) is much, much worse!
In addition, those who are in desperate situations, on the average, gets a much easier way out of unbearable psychological/physical pains!

Suicides and guns in USA

I think it's short-sighted to ban guns from "suspected suicide candidates" because it removes a part of their escape from actual pains, mental and physical, as well as the fact that one obscures the real causes to their condition. Thus, in order to prevent suicides, one should rather work against the causes for suicides. Can one part of the causes be crime including the corruption? To worsen the ways for suicide in terms of pain and other anguish comes across as plain evil, IMO!

I am therefore compelled to see guns "to everyone" as one, fine virtue, as much as self-defence, in USA.

One solution...
I can think of, is the one to improve society by The 4 Factors. Now, USA has these guns "everywhere" and also pepper spray, but what about the other 2: lie detection array (5 methods +) and radio-based scanner portals ("against 500 conditions in human beings").

Clearly, lie detection array can be used by police internal affairs, by FBI, by common police and by the courts.

Radio-based scanner portals can reveal the abuse of science by detecting criminal implants put there by monster-physicians, including the monster-surgeons, etc. They can also make the job much easier for ordinary physicians in detecting a given condition.

So:
We have one shooting. The shooter has a history. Let's say bullying. So who failed this shooter? We use lie detection array to reveal and punish failing school services, failing police services, failing other services which may have received cries for help from the shooter before the person becomes the shooter.

One important point is to feed the aftermath to Media (MainStreamMedia and other) and local society of these steps to reveal these failing services and the punishing of them so that future failures to provide services will be stopped or deeply warned against. In this way, one can start to provide young people and others with ever-increasing quality of services so to prevent (all) abuse of people so that the thoughts of wanting to shoot other people never come to mind.

People must also be able to object to corruption in society hence The Political Attempt must be respected, Blogspot, The Political Attempt: https://whatiswritten777.blogspot.no/2017/07/the-definition-of-political-attempt.html .

See The Declaration of Independence and "train of abuse - Despotism" in it for justifying The Political Attempt.

The 3. point is of course that the sadistic perverts, torturers of children, who can't handle guns (pistols, revolvers) and pepper spray get extra protection if the population is denied this self-defence.

The other 2:
1. The unarmed Jews before Kristallnacht and Holocaust in Nazi-Germany.
2. The financial success, might of military forces and general character of person in USA by allowing the population their self-defence by pepper spray and guns and other.

(To be edited.)