Saturday, 21 January 2012

Advise from a Friend to Believers in God - Christianity - Status of Jesus by 2 Interpretations

1. The Metaphorical Jesus:
Over the status of Jesus and how to remove the apparent contradiction and the moral trouble with Jesus being tortured and killed on the cross, it can be worthwhile to consider this thought:
if you consider Jesus to be a kind of symbolism that goes like the following, I think you'll be better off. Alright, Jesus is (now) to be considered "purely symbolic" and it should spark these lines.
1. It might be that God loves humanity so much that he would incarnate on earth as "his Son, Jesus".
2. But this thought is so abruptly wrong because humanity loves God back and can't bear such an experience. Thus God is asked to refrain from this and the humanity to God and vice versa of love is by this affirmed!

Hallelujah! Enjoy your religion!

Just in case it's worth something, it may be that my interpretation as suggestion to Christianity may unite it to Islam and Judaism because it hypothetically can be accepted in all three, yet only has a definite status in one -> Concl: Theology stays the same, but the 3, JCI now with the possibility to share a greater deal of understanding and coming across as honest, cross-religiously with this.

Note: First published on Twitter and

2. The Jesus Christ as Symbol for Revenge on Sinners:
So on to Jesus Christ: can it be that "Jesus died under _sinners_ (as Pilatus chose the awful criminal to a fine man, Jesus) and that we are to put skulls of sinners under his cross for him (as humanity) so that he can go/fly back home to Heaven?"

The meaning here of course is that Humanity is _set religiously free_ from sins by killing/punishing the sinners over them killing "innocence"/superiority of God impersonated by Jesus!

With both of these interpretations the alleged paradox of Jesus vanishes completely! The latest is though much harder, much more cool!

What is your thought on this? I've now delivered two interpretations on the part of
Jesus and the meaning of his person in the Bible, one is metaphorical!
The meaning here of course is that Humanity is _set religiously free_ from sins by killing/punishing the sinners over them killing "innocence"/superiority of God impersonated by Jesus!

This is in line with my investigation of the Bible as an important cultural document, over its metaphorics and wisdom, if not the facts are found as such, more or less correctly written to the best ability of that time. I'm NOT a Christian, I'm a Scientologist (who respects all other "beliefs and creeds", according to the teachings of Scientology itself and its great tolerance)!

Note: This has first been written to Facebook under my profile, Leonardo F. Olsnes-Lea, some minutes ago!


  1. I must also remind you that the 10 Commandments are not admitted to enemies as such!
    In line with Jesus of Revenge.

  2. So to combine this with "if you're hurt by anyone then turn the other cheek", I'd say that this may mean that there is something more to consider other than pain and violence that one wants to communicate. Nr. 2: When one first wants to turn the other cheek then it may be for returning insult or violence twice as hard back (only because one hates something pretty strongly! This is all in line with Jesus of Revenge!

  3. So the "turn the other cheek" is (to become) the making of an opening to punch or other the opponent of anger and _sin_? I think so!

  4. Advise to the Religious Today - It is important to understand what corruption means in terms of threats and direct and great harm in today's world. I give this advise now and I have no particular habit of repeating myself:

    "With the Pope of the Catholic Church and all the bishops and all clergy of the other religions", to defend your religious faith is to be /with/ a weapon, the physical force, for that common notion of old. I suggest that NOW is the time to make it a duty once again to arm oneself for this purpose! Arm yourself, buy the guns, the pistol. Defend your faith!

    Note: This message to you, brothers and sisters alike, must be considered /most/ serious, of highest importance!

    (Inspired by HM Queen of Britain, "defender of faith" to Canada, part of the Commonwealth(?).)

  5. I've identified some other source you may lean to until the best reference from the Bible:
    Should Christians Have Guns?
    The Biblical Basis for the Second Amendment
    by Dan Peters, D. Min.
    Guest Editorial
    The Biblical Evangelist
    Note on the URL, most pleasingly!

    Then the substance:
    The author here writes:
    "The right to keep and bear arms is not only a basic American right. It is a right given by God in this sinful world. It is assumed in the Bible."

    - which is a wording for The Bible and belief in the Bible, as God's word, as a direct consequnce of staying alive and within protection by the weapon, "the sword", holding this belief. That is, "the sword" enables faith and "the reading of the Bible". Therefore this is "assumed", it's inherent!

    He also writes:
    "The right to family-defense is presumed from one end of the Bible to the other. The idea that
    Christians should support the disarming of law-abiding citizens is *not* in accord with God's will for this age. The disarming of the lawful will only leave the streets and our safety in the hands of criminals and overworked police officers who cannot guarantee our safety."

    I agree totally with this! Take care!

  6. Take fx. (for garden of Eden to arise at all or to defend any peaceful place):
    Genesis 3:24
    New King James Version (NKJV)
    24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.

  7. If not the Bible verse directly, then this simple consideration: If you do not defend your life from the "retards" then your life goes away one way or the other! If you do not take this, then go ahead and waste YOURS! (Like in people who kill the religious /because/ they are insane!)

  8. Then one good verse to remember for this weapon purpose of self-defence:
    Psalm 149
    King James Version (KJV)
    149 Praise ye the Lord. Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints.
    2 Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.
    3 Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
    4 For the Lord taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
    5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
    6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand;

  9. Religion, Ecumenism and Humanism Together - How They Match

    Ecumenically religious humanism, just in case too much troubles over the details. 3. to yourself.

    Ecumenically religious. 2. to yourself.

    Then, fx. Christian and Scientologist. 1. to yourself.

  10. Reading the Bible in serving the ecumenical world, all "whitelist religions", counting under 20(?), like JCIB, as "Moses II" metaphorically/"charicaturely":
    I cite this evangelical duty of religions, this time Christianity, by Exodus 31:13:
    "...for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may [only as speech here] know that I [am] the Lord [who] that doth sanctify you [i.e., keep you in God's grace to Heaven as you die]."
    Otherwise: "to bring God's salvation", "to bring the word of the Bible to all people so that they can turn to God and Heaven", etc. from the Bible, of course, one of them, King James (Bible of 1611), the Bible of Erasmus of Rotterdam, the Catholic Bible, so on.

    One link: .

    That is, the evangelical duty in the Bible is MOST explicit and can't be dodged by saying that this leaves the Bible open to the dangerous/Schizophrenics, fx.

  11. Psalm 23 - The Lord is my shepherd

    New International Version

    A psalm of David.

    1 The Lord is my shepherd, I lack nothing.

    2 He makes me lie down in green pastures,
    he leads me beside quiet waters,

    3 he refreshes my soul.
    He guides me along the right paths
    for his name’s sake.

    (What I like the best...)
    4 Even though I walk
    through the darkest valley,a
    I will fear no evil,
    for you are with me;
    your rod and your staff,
    they comfort me.

    5 You prepare a table before me
    in the presence of my enemies.
    You anoint my head with oil;
    my cup overflows.

    6 Surely your goodness and love will follow me
    all the days of my life,
    and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

    a 4 Or the valley of the shadow of death .

  12. Sure, the Atheists can point to evidence and say that we're in lack of it, but that's also the point that all religion is solving. It takes over where science ends. In this sense, Atheists are, by their own definition, very limited people, only seeing the World in terms of strict experience and evidence and not the grand meaning that may be felt by some people, that ethics (10 Commandments) leads us to some great, eternal end!